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media buzz. we're back here next week at 11:00 with the latest buzz. commercials all across america. >> thanks it for us here in washington. thanks bob, we love you. >> i'm chris wallace, a florida man penetrates restricted >> a florida man lands his gyrocopter raising questions about security in washington. >> it i don't provide an opportunity for law enforcement agency including the secret service to review their procedures. >> we will discuss the latest in a growing list of security breaches with the chair of the house oversight committee, jason chaffetz. our sunday panel weighs in on who is watching the watchdogs. plus, the 2016 race for president now is in full swing. we will talk with two potential candidates. >> the next president of the
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united states needs to figure one thing out quickly: how to be commander in chief. i could do that. >> the question is, what candidate is prepared to deliver for the american working people? >> republican senator lindsey graham could enter the g.o.p. field as the national security hawk. independent sent bernie sanders may take on hillary clinton from the left. we will sit down with both of them. all, right now, on "fox news sunday." hello, again, from fox news? washington, dc. it was a scary scene on the national mall this week when a florida postal worker flew the gyrocopter through the most restricted airspace. it is just the latest in a string of troubling security lapses. we will discuss that in a few minutes with the chair of the house oversight committee jason chaffetz. we begin, first with politics and the race if the white house that is rapidly heating up, two dozen potential republican candidates were in new hampshire
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this week to win support for the first primary. our chief political correspondent carl cameron is there. >> thanks. 21 potential white house hopefuls took the stage in the two help day first-in-the-nation summit. this is a wide open race and it was a huge roster. the biggest ever for new hampshire and everyone of the leading candidates came with something to accomplish. >> for jeb bush it was dealing with the biggest problem: reassuring conservatives he is one of them. >> a lot of us are not looking for a republican in name only. i don't want a coronation on our side by any stretch. >> i don't see any coronation coming my way. >> bush cast himself in new hampshire as "middle of the g.o.p. road." >> i match myself with any governor of the last 20 years. >> marco rubio called bush's mentor made a break at the summit. bush supports common core education standards.
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rubio calls the big government usurping local education control. >> why care what everyone says the standards will be used to force on states policies that the federal government wants where you do not get federal money. >> chris christie supported raising age for made -- medicaid. >> kentucky senator rand paul blasted those who criticize obama foreign policy because they take the share positions. >> the others criticize the president and hillary clinton but they would do the same thing, just ten times over. >> paul would do less but in an interview with fox he said he is in the middle of the g.o.p. on foreign policy. >> people find out about my foreign policy they will find i am in the many stream of the republican party and the number one priority is national defense. >> scott walker closed the summit with the keynote speech.
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>> key party establish social conservative to libertarian, people want more, they do not just want a fighter, they want someone who fights and wins. >> former former governor-general bush cost cordial. lindsey graham came across as the most at ease and got points for the most jokes. scott walker did well and chris christie who needed a good performance is making a little bit of headway in new hampshire. >> thank you from new hampshire. nows we will bring in one of those potential republican can dares, south carolina senator lindsey graham. senator, i want to start with a headline on a salon.com website that said lindsey graham loses his mind for saying the man who flew down the national mall in a gyrocopter should have been forced down or shot down. are you serious?
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>> deadly serious. our nation is at war with radical islam and the try father goal of the groups is to adamage our nation and washington is the prime that are get. that many years after 9/11 with this many groups warning to hurt us i am astounded someone could do what he did. i am glad he is not sure but that shows how far the 15s have fallen and this president minimizes the threats we face as a nation and i will not be part of that. >> some people may say lindsey graham loses his mind for seriously considering running for president in 2016. >> okay. >> we were told a couple of weeks ago that there is a 90 percent that carly will get into the race. what is the per superintendent you will get in it? >> 91 percent. >> seriously? >> i think so. i have to put the means together. i think i have a good message and i am more right than wrong on phone policy. i have criticized the president for leading from hype, and being
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weak and indecisive and i have been a problem solver in washington and i have something to offer as a party and the nation and i make that decision in may if i can raise the money i will do it. >> here is why this people are skeptical: you believe that climate change is real and the federal government must address it. you are open to raising taxes as part of a grand bargain. you support comprehensive immigration reform. if your home state of south carolina, you are at this point running 4th behind walker, bush and cruz and 5 55 percent -- 55 percent they they would not consider voting for you. are you too far moderate and too far on nondefense issues to win the republican nomination? >> not at all, i believe climate change is real but i reject the cap and trade solution of al gore would made it a a religion.
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that is a problem. i would like to clean up the air and water and become more energy independent and i am for offshore trimming and i am for cool for clean coal, for natural gas, but i would like a more carbon economy over time and clean up the air and create jobs in the process. >> raising taxes is part of the grand bargain? >> i am for simpson-bowles. it closes loopholes and takes the money we would give do a few people and put it on the debt. we are $18 trillion in debt, 80 million baby boomers will retire in the next 20-30 years and well wipe out social security and medicare and we have to adjust the age of retirement for younger people people of my income level have to have their benefits means tested and democrats are going to want a simpler tax code and time for eliminating deductions and taking some of the money to buy down rates and put it on the debt. that is not raising taxes that is solving the problem. >> senator, why do you think,
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and i understand it is early, why do you think you run so poorly in your home state? >> if i didn't thing i could win south carolina i wouldn't be talking to you. i had a primary with six opponents and i won 41 points i have been elected numerous times in south carolina. if i'm on ballot i'm going to win south carolina. >> i want to do a lightning round, quick questions and answers about some of your opponents. you say ruben marco rubio is too afraid of the right wing of the republican party. >> he would be president one day, whether 2016 is his time, he embraced immigration reform and has backed up. i will let him explain why. competentive immigration reform with security border and deeming with 11 million is the only way to solve this problem i like marco. >> you took ted cruz to task for saying that the second amendment is the ultimate check against
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government tyranny. >> the ultimate check compensation government tyranny is an informed electoral who will elect a limited government. why want to embrace the idea we want people to take to the streets with guns but go do the voting booth and check out-of-control government by elects conservatives. >> as for rand paul you have been very critical of his national defense security policy are you convinced that his recent tougher stand on some national security issues is genuine. >> i hope some of it is but he is the libertarian in a race. the lindsay graham foreign policy is rand paul -- beating rand paul's view, and it will beat president obama's foreign policy, and it will beat hillary clinton's foreign policy. he said at the summit a terrorist difficult tabled at gitmo is entitled to a trial.
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i have been a military lawyer for 33 years and member of al-qaeda or their afill -- affiliate can be detained if they are a threat without a trial. he wants to fight a crime i am fighting a war. big difference. >> turning now to the nuclear talks with iran. president obama made some news this week when he indicated he would be willing to lift sanctions faster than seemed to have been agreed to the in framework deal rather than waiting until we the iran implementing all of the restrictions. shear what president obama said. >> our main concern here is making sure that if iran doesn't abide by the agreement we don't have to jump through a whole budge of hoops to re-instate sanctions. >> senator, what do you think of that? some people are reading this as another concession to the iranians?
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>> president obama's deal is deteriorating. this is not a snowll's chance that congress will approve the framework. the ayatollah is saying he gives immediate sanction relief with no intrusive inspection. i will release today nine core principles of what i think a good deal would vote like. any time anywhere inspection of nonmilitary and military facilities and it will be a bipartisan so the idea we cannot go where we want did go is going to fail. the chinese are talking about building reactors for the iran and any nuclear program enrichment program must be limited to one reactor. you can now lit sanctions until the behavior changes. they can no longer be a state sponsor of terrorism but you lift sanctions so i don't think
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there is any chance we will lift congressional sanctions as long as you have --. >> wait a minute, you are talking about the corker and menendez bill that passed the senate foreign affairs committee unanimously and it look like it will pass the house and senate saying that the congress has 30 days after the bill or the deal is finally presented to approve or disapprove it and you are saying there is no chance? let me ask, because there is a anyone side. it isn't that congress has to approve it, what can happen is they can disapprove it and the president vetoes it and all he needs is 33 votes in the senate to make the veto stand up. are you saying he will not have 34 votes in the senate. >> i'm saying if there is a final deal that doesn't require any time anywhere inspections that the senate will not go along with that. i am saying that if you get secret sites open you are fought
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going to go approval the no one trusts iranians. the framework i have been presented with has to be turned into a final deal and there is no way we approve a deal that doesn't allow for inspecteds any time anywhere. remove the highly enriched uranium and have one reactor that can be never used for a bomb. i am confident that given iranian behavior of turning the world upside down the framework if it become as final deal will have a hard time getting it through the senate. >> question is whether the president positive veto would stand up. are you saying the senate would overvied his veto? >> if the final agreement doesn't allow any time anywhere inspections and it has a large
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enrichment program that keeps underground secret sites we -- opened, it will be rejected large enough to override a video -- a veto because the senate understands this is the most consequential vote we will take. the irans cannot be trusted. they lie and cheat. this will allow too many opportunities to break out. i. wait-and-see how it looks on paper. if you don't have any time anywhere inspections forget it. i don't think any democrat or republican will agree to allow that to become binding. >> finally, we have a minute left an article in the "washington post" that told me a last things i didn't know about it. it details the fact that when you were at the university of south carolina as an undergraduate you lost both your mom and your dad with in 15 months and you brought up and supported your then 13 year old sister darlene and some of your friends suggested that
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could be why you never got married. we cannot put you on the psychiatrist couch but how did that dramatic event shape your life? >> it changed me. it made me realize the promise of tomorrow is just a promise and i assumed things early on and i never assume again and taught me how much i was loved by the rest of my family. my aunt and uncle helped me risk my sister. social security survivor bis made a world of different presence and i moved with an aunt and uncle would never made more than $25,000 a life and my mom's disease wiped us out financially and we lost our businesses. i understand we are all one car wreck away from trouble, but it told me that family friends and faith really do matter and i am a lucky man to have had all the support i have had all these years and i am trying my best to pay back the country who hack so
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love to me. i love to my sister and all those who have helped me all those years thank you so much. >> thank you for sharing that and thank you for coming on the always good to talk with you. >> thank you. >> next another potential contender independent senator bernie sanders who may take on hillary clinton. from the left.
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a look outside the beltway at bakersfield, vermont bernie sanders is considering taking on hillary clinton and polls have both good news and bad news for him. in the latest average of
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national polls he's far behind clinton but runs ahead of the two other likely candidates martin o'malley and jim web. senator sanders welcome to fox news sunday. >> good to be with you. >> senator, you say that you are considering running against hillary clinton among other reasons because you doubt whether or not she's willing to take on the billionaires in america. here's what she said during a rollout in iowa this week. >> there's something wrong when hedge fund managers pay lower tax rates than nurses or the truckers that i saw on i-80 as i was driving here over the last two days. >> senator don't you believe her? >> well, she's absolutely right but it's not a question of running against hillary clinton or taking on hillary clinton. what we are seeing, chris, right now is that for 40 years the american middle class has been disappearing millions are
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working longer hours despite a huge increase in technology and productivity. and what we have seen during that period is a massive transfer of trillions of dollars from the middle class to the top one tenth of one percent of america. massive wealth and income inequality where you have 99% of all new income today going to the top 1% and top one tenth of one percent -- >> if i may, you told bloomberg that you had serious doubts about whether she was willing to take on billionaire class. what are those doubts? >> that's it. but it's -- my point is it's not just hillary clinton -- >> i'm asking about hillary clinton though, sir. >> the answer, if i can please the answer is that i think that that is the fight that we have to wage if we're going to save the middle class. i do have doubts about whether hillary clinton or whether any republican candidate out there is prepared to take on the big
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money interest who controls so much of our economy and as a result of citizens united, our political process as well. >> but clinton says that she wants to be the champion of the middle class. again, here she is in iowa this week. >> the deck is still favor of those already at the top. and there's something wrong with that. there's something wrong when ceos make 300 times more than the typical worker. >> what does senator clinton -- or secretary clinton need to do to persuade you that she's the one to take on this fight? >> well what she said is absolutely right. i think from a moral issue, ceos should not be making 300 times more than their workers are making. but what we need to do chris is to understand that in america, if we're going to be successful and taking on the billionaire class we need a strong national grass roots
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movement. what the secretary will have to convince the american people is in fact based on her past record and her views today, that she is going to break up the major banks on wall street. that she is going to ask the wealthiest people in this country to start paying their fair share of taxes. she's going to end the abomination of major corporations making billions and stashing money in the cayman islands and not paying a nickel in federal income tax. that she's prepared to deal with our disastrous trade policies -- >> let me ask you about the trade policy. when she was secretary of state, clinton said she favored a trade deal with our 11 pacific partners and fast tracked authority to make that happen. that's something congress is now considering and now secretary clinton says she wants to wait and see. is this an issue for you? >> chris you're looking at a guy who was in the house and in the senate voted against all of
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these terrible trade agreements and permanent normal trade relations with china. all of the big money and trust and by the way republicans and democrats, we're going to create all of these jobs by having a trade agreement with china. the answer is they were wrong wrong, wrong. over the years we have lost millions of decent paying jobs and these trade agreements have forced wages down in america so the average worker in america today worked longer hours for lower wages. i don't have to wait and see. i'm against this trade -- >> is that a litmus test for you to see whether or not clinton comes out against the tpp? >> i know where my view is. i hope very much the secretary comes out against it. i think we do not need to send more jobs to low wage countries. i think corporate america has got to start investing in this country and create decent paying jobs here. >> let me talk to you about bernie sanders now not hillary
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clinton. you callyourself a democratic socialist, one of the things you favor is a single payer health care system. but that has in effect fizzled in your own state of vermont. i want to talk about why, when it turned out that singer payer would have meant 11.5% increase in taxes on all businesses and 9.5% tax hike on individuals, the democratic governor of vermont dropped the plan as unfeasible. this is in your own state of vermont, they said we can't afford the single payer. >> well chris let's take a look what's going on around the world in terms -- >> sir, if i may -- if i may, sir, i'm asking about a specific question of vermont and they had a plan to impose a single -- implement a single payer health care system in vermont and democratic governor ended up dropping it. >> well, for a variety of
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reasons he did. but the united states remains the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care and we're spending almost twice per much per capita. we have a dysfunctional system and i do believe in a medicare for all single payer system. a small state like vermont can lead the nation or california or some other station at the end of the day we need a cost effective high quality health care system. >> i want to get much as as we can into this. you also want a 50% cut in military spending at a time when isis and al qaeda are on the march -- >> a what percent? >> 50. >> no i don't. what i do believe -- what i do believe is that there is enormous waste in the military in the department of defense.
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the department of defense can't even audit itself. of course isis is a terrible organization that has to be defeated and of course we need a strong military. but just as with every other agency of government, you know what, the military also has got to get rid of waste and fraud and cost over us. i want a strong military but do not believe among other things that without an audit we should be throwing tens of billions of dollars into the department of defense. >> final question sir and it's sort of three-part. what are you going to decide when you're going to run? how are you going to decide to run? and what are the chances you'll run right now? >> well i think we'll make that decision pretty soon. not dissimilar from what lindsey graham had to say, when you have super pacs and billionaires able to spend hundreds and millions of dollars on the candidate of their choice, making sure you
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have the money to run a credible campaign is very very important and that's one of the factors we're going to have to determine. >> he said it's a 91% chance he's going to run. i'm being as specific as he is. >> we'll see. we're working on it and we will make the best decision we can within the near future. >> real quickly if you run against secretary clinton do you really realistically you've been in politics 35 years. you realistically think you can win or is this to make a point and bring her closer to you on these issues? >> chris, good question. i would not run unless i thought we could win. i think there is a lot of discontent out there on the part of ordinary people who feel the system is grossly stacked against them. >> senator sanders, thank you and thankds for joining us. please come back sir. >> thank you very much. >> up next, our sunday group analyzes a busy week at this early stage of the presidential race. what do you think about who's up
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nation and is trying to present her sex in a more favorable light than eight years ago and she will perhaps succeed but at the end of the day she is who she s. >> jackie, what struck you about her rollout and i pick up on a question i was going back-and-forth with, is she going to have trouble campaign as a champion of the middle class going up against big money when she and her husband have a long history with $300,000 speeches and $1 million contributions, multimillion dollar contributions from foreign governments, to the foundation. >> yeah it is a hard move for her. she was also making $200,000 for speeches not too long ago. that is where you are hearing the emphasis on the populist rhetoric and why but are hearing her trying to mitigate the idea i will say it was very tolling when she was talking about hedge funders and talking about reducing or how much they make,
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when you saw the wall street reaction, they were kind of like well, they are not too worried so unless there is action --. >> they think she... >> they think it will be fine and it will not be a anything happening and she will be a friend of wall street. >> there was a lost as on the republican side when senator marco rubio getting into the republican race and he took a shot at hillary clinton. here it is. >> just yesterday a leader from yesterday began a campaign for president by promising to take us back to yesterday. >> what are rub oh's chances in the field especially against his political mentor, jeb bush and when you look at 21 potential candidates in new hampshire in week how do you sort out the republican field? >> he will be a strong
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candidate. he is off to a strong count and in the first tee and probably helped himself better than anyone else for this moment. he went out and no one paid attention but in 2013 and early 2014 he made seven substantive speeches about policy showing he was educating himself and figuring out where he stood and launched into this with one of most important things a candidate can have 689 the an understanding of the issues that together make up a message. he is off to a strong start. how do you sort out 21 candidates? by the end of the day we will have 15 or 16 and --. >> declared candidate? >> 15 or 16 declared in the four states to begin the process in february. it is still going to be confused by the end of february we are likely to be down to five or isis candidate whose have tended to be toward the top in the four contests and seem to have the message and the resources to might it. but it will not be easy and particularly going to be difficult when we come around to debate. the first debate is in august
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and how --. >> on fox news. >> how will the republican national committee from imthis? they will set triggers based on the standing in the polls and the amount of money raised and that will keep some of the more flamboyant candidates we have from beingen on the same and we. have an ugly mess closer to august. >> before i bring in juan, chris christie reemerged and made a strong speech about reforming social security and entitlements. is he -- how much trouble is he in? how much trouble can you breathe life in? he was a frontrunner but had a tough career. >> he has to campaign while things are still until the united states attorney said here is the final decision and we are done, he has difficulty. i thought what was interesting is it shows two things.
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the one, he is willing to be bold. he said, here are specific things i will do to tackle entitlements and it shows he is not panicking. he understands his fate is going to be determined by what this united states attorney does and in the meantime, he is not going do panic. he knows he is in a whole and he will dig his way out out of the hole byening bold and straight failure. i thought it was a good recovery. shear clearly not in the first tear where he was a year ago. >> i will switch subjects, juam and the holdup of the confirmation vote on the nomination of the first black woman attorney general loretta lynch. president obama went after the republicans hard on that. >> it has gone too far. enough. enough. get her confirmed. put her in place. let her do her job. >> now, lynch was nominated
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almost six months ago, back in november. i have two questions: what do you think of the hold up? two, do you think it is something that republicans, the democrats can use effectively against republicans and make them pay a political rice for holding up the nomination of a black woman to a top position? >> in answer to your first question, this is more policemen than available. but, yes there is a big risk for the republicans in a race especially with hillary clinton as the likely democrat nominee in a contest that will focus on the possibility of the person of the president to be six months suspending of the nomination of a black woman who is eminently qualified, both sides say she has been a steel prosecutor, tough on crime, tough on terrorism just trick and she is being held up. the second risk in a area of woman, the abortion issue in terms of the human trafficking bill is causing this delay. >> holding up her nomination
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until they sell the issue of human trafficking. what mcconnell has said, five republicans have said they will vote with the democrats and there is a vote if she will be confirmed this is about mcconnell saying hold up until the other issue is settle asked that creates something that democrats can use to beat republicans about the head in terms of the war on women. >> at a time when republicans want to show they are reaching tout minorities does it make political sent to hold up this nomination. >> no it doesn't from that perspective. the democrats are using the human trafficking bill languauage that has been there for 40 years regarding the use of federal funds for abortion say our price for passing this bill, the language in the trafficking bill, is you have to reof might. the democrats, the republicans have very few loaf rage to say we want to keep in place the language that has been approved on a "american bandstand" basis for 40 years.
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that is what it is. >> about. i get it. i get it. it is lost in the weeds but it is an important point of principle and important to remember that democrats are trying to undo 40 year bipartisan agreement that no federal funds will be used for abortion. >> i am not a senator and i see it both ways but the republicans in the senate are trying to do this and the democrats are trying to play to the abortion crowd by saying do not undo thelanguage. >> she will be confirmed. and she will be our attorney general. and it will be by overwhelming vote and the rest of this will go into the background. it will not be around. >> democrats do not want a vote to undo the language. they want the republicans to remove the language so they do not have to go on the record saying they are in favor of using this language. >> do you think senator mansion wants -- senator manchin wants to
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vote? >> this is crazy. >> juan, the language was in the bill and the democratic sponsor --. the democrat sponsor admits it was in the bill. >> we will take a break. the gyrocopter incident raises new questions of security in the nation's capitol. about security in the nation's capital. we'll talk to jas stay tuned. what would you like to ask the panel about the long string of security lapses? go to facebook or twitter and we may use your question on the air.
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a >> a look at oklahoma city where they remember the 168 people killed and hundreds more injured in the bombing of federal building there, 20 years ago today. >> this tragic anniversary comes as washington is still reeling over a shocking security lapse here this week. joining us is the chairman of the house oversight committee, jason chaffetz. congressman, going back to the astop iraning video from this week which we have been look at repeatedly of a postal worker fly down the national mall highly restricted area 56 and landing on the west lawn of the united states capitol norad the f.a.a., the secret service, the capitol police, they all have jurisdiction. who do you hold responsible for the security breach sir? >> one of the problems you have a 32 federal agencies or 32 law enforcement agencies that say in washington with some degree of
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jurisdiction, so you worry about coordination and the communication but, certainly the capitol hill police the united states secret service which were ever departmentally notified well in advance this person had for shadowed they were going to come in and do this and you need to have visibility. you look at norad and just the bake flight control coming out of reagan of whether you can see what is coming toward the airport and toward the national mall. >> your staff is drafting a letter to the secret service which as you point out had interviewed? fellow twice because he put on the internet the fact he was thing of doing this as far back as 2013. >> the committee will give a briefing to myself and elijah cummings and we needed a few days to this sell sort out the story. but the tampa bay times said
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they called capitol hill police and secret service 30 minutes prior. we usually get an alert if something is happening at the capitol and it never happened. we got "all clear." i have a lot of questions about what does they do? who communicated with who? what their we doing? the aura of inevitability that law enforcement prevails if someone ups the fence or has a drone or does the gyrocopter that shine is gone. we are going to have more and more this. what will they do about it? >> this is the latest in a long line of security lapses just last month in march, two secret service agents drove into an active bomb investigation near the white house last september. of course the man jumped the fence and got into the white house. mr. chairman, he has been before the committee, do you still have confidence in secret service we director joseph clancy?
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>> before during the fence jumping incident there was an independent panel put forward by the secretary of homeland security unanimously they said they wanted someone from the outside who could be the transformative figure to change the secret service. more clancy is a wonderful human being but he is not that transformative person so i have concerns. a woman drove up outside the white house, dropped off what she said was a bomb and she drove off. this wasn't this net that took her down and captured her. it took them two days to capture this deranged woman and how does that happen? time and time again. in this day and age? >> you say you have serious concerns. do you think we need a new secret service director? especially given the failure of the secret service in this latest case? >> we are going to give them a chance this week to come in and explain what it is they knew, what sort of communication, were they in contact? did they decide not to take this
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person down? if they did want to take hill down, what were they going to do? i have said i think director clancy was the wrong choice by president obama and i have not called for him to be fired at this point or to step down. i have with the case of the d.e.a. the hearings we had this week, but i got real concerns about what are they doing proactively and in the future? this is going to happen again. >> i pick up on what you just mentioned because you have had hearings recently not just with the secret service but, also, with the drug enforcement administration and that was over a case where it turns out in choppia some d.e.a. agents were involved in so-called sex pairs that were paid for by the drug cart temperature they were supposedly trying to police and interestingly enough when you talk to clancy and the screeveses and and the head of d.e.a. they both told you they cannot fire someone just because of allegations of misconduct.
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look at this. >> i don't have the ability to just fire people the will in the government. my understanding is you cannot do that. >> everyone else can be fired, why can't you fire people that work for you? >> under the civil service laws i cannot intervene in the disciplinary process. >> mr. chairman; that true? can't these people be fired? can't you to that is true can you do something about it? >> what you can do and what you can inject yourself into is revoking the people's security clearance. as we heard testimony if you do not have a security clear answer, you cannot work at secret service or work at the d.e.a. i am not buying it. republican after a high profile incident down in colombia, they did fire a number of the secret service agents. they later fired some d.e.a. agents. when they were caught ben, they had literally given the people between 2-14 days paid lean.
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that sounds like a vacation to me. i am not buying that. we will look at making changes in the law. >> do you think we are getting sloppy this many areas after when help we are letting down our guard and what is the implication for national security? >> when you don't take someone down and take it down hard they are never going to get in the capitol or white house when you don't do that you have deranged people and probably more sophisticated terrorists who will take a shot at us. that can never, ever, happen. these are no fail missions. they can never ever fail and we have to make sure the people on the front lines know we have their back. take them down. even if it is harsh. and it will not happen again. >> congressman, thank you, and thanks for coming in today. >> we want to condition this conversation now with our panel. karl, you were the deputy chief of staff at the white house under george w. bush, are those agency heads correct that
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basically no matter how much the folks know what they are doing you have to go through a long civil service process? >> it is right. you can revoke the clearance but to fire them, it is difficult. what we learned here in this instance it is not just the rain or snow or sleep or hail that keeps a self-appointed mailman from the rounds but neither the capitol police could. we are focused on the secret service but the capitol police have principle responsibility for the area around the capitol. i hope there is a top-to-bottom behind the scenes review of all of the roars. this guy got in a gyrocopter in gettysburg and under the radar all the way to washington, dc. what if he had rather than petitions to cog, he had a bomb? quickly on clancy, i agree with the commission they should have brought someone in from the outside. that was not president obama's dogs. but joseph clancy is a
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first-rate individual and if anyone can turn it down he can do it but he needs the time and the tools to do so. >> we got this from facebook, why do these people have their job when we are not doing their jobs? they should be fired if they cannot do their job. juan how do you answer michael? >> if people cannot do their job they have to be tired. no question. michael, i say we need less emphasis on the hysteria and fear and firing and more emphasis on the idea we are an open and democratic society. pennsylvania has not d. >> you are saying the guy in the gyrocopter should be able --. >> no we have to focus on closing gaps on the low flying aircraft. we can do that sensibly. this idea we should be more militaristic and senator graham
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say we should shoot down the mail carrier, goodness gracious. >> but they shot the woman who drove her car and would led politician on a chase. it has happened. it was very serious. what struck me, you saw officials joking about this guy and flying the cop con on the land. it is not funny. it is serious. that is the complaint, you see someone like secretary johnson laughing about this in retrospect. that shocked me. >> it is a pattern of manage failure, secret service, d.e.a., veterans administration department of hhs trying to get the health care website and across this sprawling bureaucracy we are seeing this pattern of repeated management failure. and that is the larger picture that needs to be looked at, this government is not well managed not well run and it needs to be. we need better people and heard and better management.
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>> i agree. but we don't need to be the criminal here. we have so many police sources you heard what congressman chaffetz said, 32 agencies if charge. >> [ inaudible ] >> i am surprised when he was in the air, we didn't know what he was carrying with him he do have been carrying a bomb or a chemical agent. to say we should not have shot him down but you did not know what he was coupling? >> i don't thing we need to be extreme and hysterical. we need to close that gap and make sure... >> i wouldwould. i would.re wa here was -- >> you would shot anybody, the vehicle ismal coming downl, the mall, you don't know who it is. would you shoot it down or not? >> i said no. >> no matter what?not >> not no matter what. k by the way -- >> they should have known what was happening. if if there's incompetence that you're talking about, it was ng that they interviewed this guy
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and apparently the tampa times w he w knew he wasas coming and told him two hours before. . hooti but to start shooting everybody -- >> not everybody flies towards the capitol in a gyrocopter. >> i'm withl. lindsey graham on this. now that they got him down, throw the book at hem. what is going to dissuade the terrorist is down they go. >> and what was interesting to e me was they let the guy out of jail so quickly.ure i thought for sure he would stay in jail.l. >> well, you're the one who is talking about the kremlin. we have habeas corpus here and we have bail. >> thank you panel. we'll be right back with a final note. ha corpus here and we have bail. >> we'll be right back with a final note. is it our insightful strategies that make edward jones one of the country's biggest financial services firms? or 13,000 financial advisors who say thank you? it's why edward jones is the big company
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